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Monday, May 19, 2025 | |
I'd missed the whole Forced Reset Trigger debate over the last year or so, but caught an article about it in The Post Sunday and figured I'd see what it's about. Here's what I learned, executive summary style.
My second isn't quite accurate, but check below and it'll make more sense. First, some YouTube videos and then quotes from an excellent article from the National Association for Gun Rights. The first shows the trigger in action with some slow-motion demonstrating that a trigger pull is required for each round. But it also is what reminded me of bump stocks. Again, it's not. The bump stock would essentially (afaict, ymmv) push the gun back into your trigger finger so you didn't have to manually pull. It looks like this does something similar but you do have to pull the hairiest trigger possible. This one shows me two things: The eyes of the first guy shows it fires lots faster than the novice shooter can normally. The second shooter shows me it does take a knack -- easily achieved, but a knack -- to get it to work. This one, however, is probably my favorite. This fellow shows that he can empty six rounds just as quickly using a traditional trigger. Dude is fast. Now for some quotes from that article from the National Association for Gun Rights. The last one is pretty telling. They're comparing the Force Reset Trigger to a binary trigger, the second of which also increases discharge rate, but in its case by releasing a round with a pull and a release, thus the whole "binary" moniker. But we learn a decent amount about how actual shooters consider the FRT.
That last point (and the "fun range accessory" comment) seem to wrap this up for me. In the wrong hands, a FRT could enable someone shooting at a crowd to cause a lot more carnage than without. For the serious shooter or someone truly interested in eliminating a specific threat, there is no practical usage. That is, unless your adversary was coming at you in waves like an 18-century bayonet charge, it's likely a bad idea to use a FRT for security. Honestly, I'm still surprised we have a sort of bifurcated Second Amendment. District of Columbia v. Heller is described at today's Wikipedia like this:
... but there's also otherwise an argument that anything goes. I mean you can even have a fully automatic rifle (as the NAGR references) if you jump through enough hoops. Okay, I realize that's a law, so not 2nd Amendment protection, but in general it feels like "if the Army can own it, so can I" argument comes up more frequently, like with sawed-off shotguns, iirc. That is, in 1939 SCOTUS said:
But I think I saw an argument that since the Army now assigns shotguns in specific urban missions it's fair game for everyone. But even the text, above, seems counter to Heller: The bar there is "Is this weapon useful to a militia?" not Heller's "Is this something a citizen would have at home and bring to a militia?" Anyhow... And, as I think I mentioned before, years ago I went to a local gun show to see how tough it'd be to get an AR-15 fully auto. There was a bin of the piece that you'd need to replace to make an AR-15 fully auto and a $10 or so book explaining how to do so easily available. For $1500 or so, you could walk out and be an hour or so away from an fully automatic M-16 equivalent. The question of whether a FRT should be illegal comes down to how you interpret Heller. I don't know that Heller is talking gun technology. That is, a flintlock musket or rifle (two different things) are nothing, not really, like even a lever-action rifle today. If you'd had a lever-action from 2020 or 1970 in 1770, you would have been a power like no other, not just for rate of fire, speed of round (so velocity and inertia -- damage), but also accuracy. I think Heller is saying more, "What sorts of weapons do you have around the house today?" rather than "Gun technology stops at 1791". Even then, NAGR would suggest the FRT isn't one of "the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home" when it says "the FRT is often seen as a fun range accessory rather than a practical tool". When it comes to hunting, they add, "When tracking moving game, accurate follow-up shots are often more critical than speed. The binary trigger provides the time and control necessary to line up subsequent shots, whereas the FRT’s rapid reset can make it more difficult to stay on target." But this does argue for the binary trigger being legal, I believe. (Strangely, binary triggers appear to be illegal in Florida and Alabama, among other states.) The weird deal the ATF made with the makers of the FRT is a weird middle ground. I assume it's just a punt. From The Post:
Once the patent or whatever is out, are we back to where we started? Regardless, this seems to support where I think I always end up on this one: If you don't like our current state, you've got to amend the Amendment. Labels: guns, Other Stuff posted by ruffin at 5/19/2025 08:41:00 AM |
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